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KP Unpacked
Mastering Midlife Milestones
From recognizing the plateau of simply earning more for the same work to embracing reinvention and transitioning into coaching and mentorship roles, KP delves into actionable strategies for leveraging experience, curiosity, and continuous learning to identify new opportunities and develop essential tactical skills. Whether you're contemplating a career shift or seeking to unlock greater earning potential, this episode provides invaluable insights for thriving in today's evolving professional landscape beyond the age of 50.
Step into the future armed with the wisdom of continuous personal and professional growth, as we further delve into the themes of KP's upcoming book "Creating the Intangible Enterprise."
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Speaker 2:All right, welcome back to KP Ready Unpacked. This is my opportunity to, on a weekly basis, ask KP Reddy, the CEO and founder of both Shadow Ventures and Shadow Partners, what he was thinking when he posted that on LinkedIn. If you're not following KP Reddy K-P-R-E-D-D-Y on LinkedIn, my first question is why not? My second question is how quickly can you get to LinkedIn and start following him now? Because every day you know once, twice, maybe three times a day. You thought I was going to go into a song lyric there, I know, but every day KP posts to post that on LinkedIn. So KP Ready needs no introduction. Like I said, he's our CEO and founder. My name is Jeff Eccles, Senior Advisor, Head of Marketing at Shadow Partners, and I just get to go along on this ride and ask the questions. So, KP, welcome back. Glad you're here.
Speaker 3:Hey, Jeff, how's it going?
Speaker 2:It's going well. So, as we get ready, as we're recording this now, our newsletter went out on Tuesday of this week, so that would have been, uh, april 2nd. It went out and the version of the newsletter that comes from you actually included this post that we're about to unpack. So some some may have already seen a post about, or seen an article about, this in the newsletter, but, um, I think this is a really great one to unpack because you get you get into some of the conversations that you have with people and and and sure, some reflection and a lot of good perspective here. So, um, if you're, if you're trying to find this on LinkedIn, kp posted this on, I'd say, about March 30th. As I look at the screen, it seems like that would be the right math. So let me give it a read here real quickly. Then we'll come back and we will take some of these points and unpack them. There are 10 points in this post on LinkedIn.
Speaker 2:So KP says I'm so fortunate to have a job where I get to talk to so many people every day. Here's an observation. One the highest earning years are when you are 50 plus. Two, most people 50 plus earn well, but they don't leverage themselves well to maximize their earnings. Three there's too much of doing what I've always done but getting paid more to do it.
Speaker 2:Four the key to maximizing is reinvention. Five, applying the years of experience to pattern recognize new applications with better yield and scale are crucial. Six you are no longer a manager, you are a coach and a mentor. Seven constant curiosity is key. Eight, learning about new markets and ideas on a daily basis are important. Nine ideation is more important than ever, not just for the quote-unquote young, so not just for KP and I. And then finally, point number 10, build new tactical skills as well. It's never too late to learn practical and tactical capabilities. So as I read that, I think that's 10 great points. Do you want to start at the top or do you want to jump in on one of those in particular?
Speaker 3:So, for those of you that haven't figured out, I'm of Indian origin, right? So in Hinduism they believe that you have like a hundred year lifespan and they break that into quarters. And they break that into quarters, so, zero to 25, you're a student. 25 to 50, you're a builder slash earner like building your family, earning for your family, kind of that stability. And 50 to 75, you're a teacher, you're a mentor, you're a coach. 75 to 100, you leave your family behind and go live on a mountain and find enlightenment. Which means when I'm 75 I've told my wife I'm moving to Aspen to live on a mountain, because that's, I'm pretty sure that's what they meant. Yeah.
Speaker 3:I am certain that's what they've been I am pretty sure what they meant, um you know, a hundred thousand years ago or whatever, right so yeah, aspen's the place yeah, aspen's the place, uh, so, um, so anyway.
Speaker 3:So I've had this conversation with a lot of friends and executives that are, I think, a little bit freaked out about all this ai stuff, a little freaked out about just everything. But there's this complacency that happens in your 50s and 60s and so forth, and that is you get good at your job, you've kind of seen everything. Like a lot of people ask me, like you know that I'm not flappable at all, like nothing bothers me, and I know kind of have seen just about everything. You know it's a rare occasion in fact it's a delight when I see something that I've never seen before you know, but you just see so, especially in business.
Speaker 3:You see so much and I think part of that is a lot of people throw the opportunity away. This is a great time to really leverage that you're good at stuff and that's like a 10-hour work week right, it's not a big thing and then really shift there from really focusing on new learnings, new opportunities and new ideas. You know whether it is you know I've got my third book coming out whether it's writing Not that I wouldn got my third book coming out whether it's writing, not that I wouldn't say I make a ton of money writing. I get little checks here and there. It's not not paying a lot of bills, but it does open the door for a lot of other stuff like speaking and consulting and those type of things. And even, to a certain degree, you know my investing activities and how I get my investors. A lot of it comes through those things right. But I think a lot of people like, well, you know, I finally made it to CEO and they're just kind of chilling. They already know the business.
Speaker 3:I was talking to someone today that you know, ceo of an engineering firm, has never worked anywhere else, like straight out of college for the last 40 years and is now like CEO. I mean that person should be able to do their day job in their sleep. So then the question is like what are you doing with the rest of the time? How are you really trying to build? And I think there's a lot of opportunities to invest in startups, mentor people and do things that have a lot more scale.
Speaker 3:The ultimate product that scales is capital. Time does not scale Robots scale some, software scale scale some, but the thing that scales the most is capital, because it the effort of writing a million dollar check or a 10 million dollar check. The effort is the same. In fact, some of you that the due diligence of doing so is the same. Um, so I think there's opportunities for executives to, instead of spending money on their midlife crisis, porsche or whatever, to actually be better. Angel investors get involved in you know, and whether it's in your region, like, you want to be impactful in your neighborhood, fine. If you want to be impactful in your industry, fine, and I think it's that constant learning and growing that really is a force multiplier of how you can earn at this stage in your life.
Speaker 2:Yeah, those are really great points and they resonate. I see that around me, I've seen that throughout the industry. I think that kind of touches on point number three, as well as the first two points. You say there's too much of doing what I've always done but getting paid more to do it. I think you get to that point. It's like okay, great, but why? What's the point of this?
Speaker 3:I also think you discount If you're in your 20s, 30s, call it. I have a young child, but that's a little bit rare, um, but you know, when you have and I have two older ones, but when I was in my 30s, like you know, dropping them off at school and carpool and soccer practice and this thing and that thing, it is really hard to find space at that age and you know, you just don't. It's just really really hard, um, but you know, when you're 50s, kids are probably. You know, in most cases I've moved. You know they're, they're self, they're dressing themselves, they're feeding themselves, they're driving themselves, they're feeding themselves, they're driving themselves. And it's amazing how much you can read, how much like just content you can take in if you choose to. I think learning languages, learning music, like all the things that you just never have had time for, I think is just so critical and I think all those things are attainable. But I kind of feel like people squander the time away wwwjetbuild and get started today.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think that gets to it's point number four and probably point number seven as well. In number four you talk about the key. Well, I'll skip to seven. You talk about constant curiosity being the key, right? So the consuming of content, because there's a lot of great content out there, like you said.
Speaker 2:But then, if we come back to point four, the key to maximizing is reinvention, you know this is the way we've always done it, I think is probably the most dangerous saying in our society right now. Um so this, this idea of reinvention, to me is really important.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's interesting. I was having coffee with a friend and she was asking me about, like, how my older kids are so well-adjusted and I was like I think I inherently it wasn't intentional. They learned a lot about resiliency In their lifetime. Dad has had 12 different business cards. Dad has taken a company public. He's played on the fringes of bankruptcy. They've seen what failure looks like and they've seen me just keep swinging, just keep moving. Yep, that was a loss, keep going, going. They've seen me make money on some deal. They see me make money on deals where I wasn't even sure what they were going to survive and then you see me lost, lose a lot of money on it, what was like a sure thing, and just keep moving. And I think they've seen that happen. But I think a lot of people you know the idea that you, like went to a company when you graduated college and you're still there like that's fine, but what are you doing outside of that construct? What are you?
Speaker 3:There's a podcast I love listening to. It's called the acquired podcast. It is four hours long. These guys don't mess around, right, they publish once a month, but it's. But it's like the history lesson of great companies and it's Hermes and Louis Vuitton and Porsche and all these companies. There's nothing in my day job or in my personal life that would require me to listen to a four-hour podcast about Hermes or Louis Vuitton. You to listen to a four-hour podcast about air maize or louis vuitton, right, maybe, uh, marginally, porsche, definitely costco they love me there um, but you know, but I listen to these things, I'm listening, I'm listening to this thing about louis vuitton and you know, and, and um, air maize and all this stuff.
Speaker 3:And it's like because I'm just, I gotta understand it. There's nothing I do that has remotely any connection to those businesses, but I'm just interested. I want to know how stuff works. I don't know how it all works, because it's fascinating to me that people will spend fifteen thousand dollars on a handbag. I don't understand it, right, I don't, I don't get it and obsess, obsessively, spend money. And it's like, why is that? Why are people so, you know? And so I think, and you hear me on a daily basis like, hey, did you see this book? Hey, did you see this podcast? Like I'm constant, right on it. At this age, you are in a position to listen and learn from those things and apply them to the stuff you want to go to. I'm not going to start a fashion brand, although I might start an Etsy shop selling T-shirts of non-French bands.
Speaker 2:That would be your biggest idea yet.
Speaker 3:All the bands I claim to have seen on the side stage at Lollapalooza. There, you go Um, but beyond that, like I don't, you know, but what it does is it brings a different level of thinking and bring you know, I think, if, if you know, our brain isn't a muscle, but let's say it was a muscle, we're not using all those little brain cells. We're not exercising, and I think so, exposing yourself to different things, and you know I have friends in the music industry. I'm just fascinated by it. All right, like how?
Speaker 3:do you do this Right. I learned the other day that there's a click track when they're producing music. I didn't know this. There's a click track when they're producing music. I didn't know this. It's a click track. It's like a metronome I was like no. I thought that's the drummer's job. I'm like well, it is the drummer's job, but the drummer's not always on pace, Maybe in a studio environment, but definitely not on stage.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:And so there's a click track going. It's like click, click, click, whatever the beat is. I found it fascinating. I was like, oh my God, I always thought it was Travis Barker up there keeping the rhythm, or Lars Ulrich. It turns out they can stop drumming. Everybody already has their click going Right, and so I think it's like I'm like'm like, wow, that's super interesting that it turns out we always thought that the drummer kept the beat, kept the rhythm. That is no longer the case, and so how does that apply to how you think about business and marketing? And I just think. I just think it starts to open up your thinking. Um, and then those ideations really help you scale how you, how you want to make money and how you want to do things yeah, and you know you have points number eight and nine.
Speaker 2:I guess it is where you talk about learning about new markets and ideas on a daily basis, which is is what you're talking about.
Speaker 2:And then ideation is more important than ever.
Speaker 2:And you know, again, we're coming fresh out of the Q1 cohort, or incubator, and so we've for weeks now, eight weeks or so, we've been, you know, immersed in working with these startups that are going through customer discovery, but they're they're ideating, right, they're learning, they're ideating, they learn, and and you know it goes back and forth and back and forth and back and forth. And I think I know I've said this on here before it's one of the things I say to to all of them, and even you know my class, my graduate students, that I run very similar to our incubator, like if you get to the end and your idea is the same at the end as it was when you came in or when you applied to be in this incubator, there's a problem, right, and I think the same is true, right, if I'm, if, if I'm in the same spot, if I have the the same, if I you know all these things the same at 50 or beyond. That I did when I was 30, I think there's a problem.
Speaker 3:No, a hundred percent. You know, and there's all this narrative around growth mindset, fixed mindset. I think when you're younger you don't have a choice. You're just like you know you, you have to learn and grow or you'll drown, like that's just how it is. And then I think, once you've learned to swim, then it's like oh, I'm good.
Speaker 3:And a lot of people get stuck in that fixed mindset and are thinking about stuff. So you know, there's been a lot around, you know fixed mindset type stuff and I but, but I think it's just like the weeks turn into days, turn into months, turn into quarters, turn into years, turn into decades, and it's like where turn into years, turn into decades, and it's like what have I done? What have I really done? And I think I definitely have this bias towards business things. But I think it's just, you have to be a constant learner and I just think in your 50s it's easy just to say, wow, I have all this time the kids are off, I've got so much time, and it's like, instead of doing that, you're playing golf five days a week.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah A friend of mine and I were talking about that this morning actually that you get to your 50s or somewhere and you look back, you reflect back and for many of us it's so easy to go okay, well, sure, growth mindset through your, through your university and whatever, and into your twenties et cetera.
Speaker 2:But then then you start a family, just like you were describing the quarters earlier and it earlier and it. I think it's very easy and probably natural to pour things into the kids, the kids' activities, the family, et cetera, and lose track of that personal growth. And I think many of us wake up at some point, you know after after 30 years or something, and go, you know after after 30 years or something, and go, oh, um, yeah, I didn't, I didn't grow that much right in these terms that we're using right now and the way that we're looking at, I didn't grow that much over the last 30 years and I think that's is it an epidemic in our society? I don't know if it's, you know if we elevate it to that point or not, maybe do, but I think that's definite, uh, definite truth.
Speaker 3:You know. You know what's interesting, though. I got a couple of text messages and I had a conversation with someone that is sub 40 and I was surprised at her reaction. I said, oh my God, that was such a great post. I really thought, like in my, at my age, I'm not doing enough and therefore I'm I'm not going to get anywhere with, like I didn't realize that there's another phase of growth, because carpool, blah, blah, all the things, right, Kids, kids suck the life out of you, right? It's just like there is no space.
Speaker 3:And I think for him he said like, oh my God, it was just really inspiring to know that, like I have time, to know that, like I have time, I have this phase of life that I get to look forward to, versus feeling like, every day of my life in my 30s, I'm behind, oh, I'm so behind, I'm so behind that there isn't really a future left, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think that's one of the luxuries you know, as you're describing. I think it's one of the luxuries that you can eventually get to right the have had that or 35, something like that. And so you know, doing what you're saying in this post and leveraging those things, leveraging the time and resources that we have really opens up that potential that you're talking about here really opens up that potential that you're talking about here If you go down and you do these things. The final point, the point number 10, was build new tactical skills as well.
Speaker 2:It's never too late to learn practical and tactical capabilities, and you started this referencing AI. Right, and we've got a huge focus on AI, whether it's the incubator, whether it's the webinar that you've got coming up that we'll talk about here, your new book that's coming out, the innovation discovery workshops that we have. There are a lot of people in our ecosystem and beyond that are either afraid of some of the technologies speaking of AI, or are reticent to think that they have to learn something, or just feel incapable or inadequate of being able to learn this newfangled technology. But we've got to right it's never too late to learn practical and tactical capabilities.
Speaker 3:It's interesting. You know cause I'm I constant? I'm a constant like how do I scale myself? How do I scale myself? Not that I'm trying to quit working, it's just like. That's just my nature, right? So I do this. I built this like startup scorecarding methodology that we use at Shadow Ventures and I've developed it and you know, I would say it's like call it half to 60% of the process. Right, it's not all of it, but it's a big part of like how do you standardize these things? And so you know, it's kind of in a spreadsheet and I was like, okay, let me create a product out of this. So I did some research and I found a couple products that can help me do this, and I spent an entire Saturday developing an assessment engine for how to score a startup.
Speaker 3:I didn't delegate. I sat here, spent I mean literally from like nine o'clock in the morning till six o'clock at night, told me my wife and the baby were gone and I like it was great. I was just sitting here. There were like a lot of empty cans around, lots of snacks.
Speaker 3:It felt like back in the day, right, it felt like back in the day when I was writing code. This was not writing code, it was logical systems, not code. And I could see a lot of people my age saying, oh, that's really cool, let me see if I can get someone to do it. And I was like no, no, I like I wanted this, I need to know how to do it. Well, now I have one of our analysts right. Um, I've got him working on it and it's like but I've already done it, so at least I can be helpful and you know help. You know I know what he's doing. I haven't just like totally delegated, and some people would say I'm insane for spending an entire saturday working on something like that yeah, I I mean insane for doing that, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I mean you identified the tool. It's needed. You, you can now, um, even even the analysts sort of running with it from now. You still have, you still understand the critical path and and have the critical thinking and the you know, the institutional knowledge to continue to build that and improve that and push, push the limits and the boundaries of what the analyst is creating now.
Speaker 3:And think about it.
Speaker 3:Now I have a tool that I can share with other people. If they think that I the way I look at startups and my investment style and whatever else right, that they believe in it and they want to. Hey, I want to learn how you do it. Great, there's a link yeah, here's a link like use my system. You know, and I think that is like amazing scale. You know, you can only write books and I can only post on LinkedIn. So much for and do podcasts and all that other stuff. But the ideal of building tooling around the way I do things. I mean, you know there's no guarantee, it's just how I do things, but it's probably better than having nothing.
Speaker 2:Right Right, better than having nothing. And it also Thanks for tuning in to another episode on the Shadow.
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Speaker 2:You know when I'm talking with AEC audiences or AEC clients. You know whatever the, whatever the gig is, so to speak, it's you know, you think about you know I'm sitting in this house now. That's 80s, pushing 90 years old at this point. So my neighborhood is a new house but relative to a lot of places, it's an old house.
Speaker 2:And whoever built this right, they had a hammer, they had an apron full of nails and they were banging things together right and at some point, depending on where they were during their career when they built this house maybe, they started to use different tools, more advanced tools. Their son, their granddaughter, whoever it was that came behind them, generation after generation, started using pneumatic nailers. They started using different tools that brought more efficiencies. But the way that this house is framed is the same way as a house 15 miles from here that's going to be built next week is very similar in the way that it's framed. And so you know the tools are tools and they're not. They don't necessarily replace a really good framer, a really good carpenter, the knowledge that they have and their ability to iterate and their ability to come up with different business models for their business, to keep pushing forward and say, okay, how do I use these tools better?
Speaker 3:I will have to say that I'm very fixated on apron full of nails. That's a great band name.
Speaker 2:We'll put it in yes After.
Speaker 3:You said all those things. That was my takeaway.
Speaker 2:That was probably the best takeaway that could have come from that. Actually, jeff went on talking for about five minutes and the next day they had a new band called Apron Full of Nails.
Speaker 3:Jeff's trying to drop some knowledge and I'm fixated on it. That's a great band name.
Speaker 2:It's the best knowledge bomb of the day. Apron Full of Nails.
Speaker 3:I don't know why startups don't name themselves better things. They come up with these wild, like esoteric names that don't mean anything. Well, it's like if you had like a robotic nailing gun, you'd be call yourself like apron full of nails. That's my that's my company name.
Speaker 2:So for those of you that don't know, um, our summit is coming up again in October of this year, october 30th, at Atlanta Tech Village. By the way, we do have out there right now a pre-registration link, but one of the things that's going to happen, we're going to hand out swag this year at summit and it's going to be band t-shirts and apron full of nails is going to be one of those I mean he wants to walk around with a t-shirt with my name on it or like, let's give away like fake band t-shirts well, the other thing is like we should also be like yeah man, they're great.
Speaker 3:Oh, you've never heard of them. I mean, they're amazing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, check them out on Spotify, yeah check them out on Spotify. You have to have the premium version, though, of Spotify to find them, make me testify.
Speaker 2:They can't be. Yeah, so you know I mentioned a minute ago. Well, first of all, summit is coming right. Summit's coming October 30th. We are doing pre-registration right now. Go to the Catalyst Network, which is the new name for what used to be called the Shadow Partners online community so Catalyst Network and right at the top of the home feed there you'll find the link to pre-register for Summit On April 16th, which is we're recording. This is about two weeks away. You're going to put on a webinar that is kind of touches on what your new book is about. So you want to talk for just a second about the webinar that? Yeah.
Speaker 3:I think you know a lot of. I think you know a lot of. You know a lot of focus around ai is oh, it's going to take our job, it's going to do all this stuff, and um, I've had so many conversations through my speaking and people say like, and I'm like, oh, it'll be fun. We've always, we've always managed right the invention of the combine and the invention of the engine and electricity like we've, we've figured it out right.
Speaker 3:And the invention of the combine and the invention of the engine. And electricity Like we've, we've figured it out Right. And if I found that that just was not good enough for people to tell me, for me to say, like we're going to be fine, ai is not going to take our jobs, right, and so part of the book I'm really focused on, of case studies historical case studies of where there was a shift in technology and it worked out for the better, and so what I've really done is said, okay, I looked at all those things and I said, well, what were the commonalities for them to make these transitions? And then from there I came up with a set of skills back to.
Speaker 3:It's never too late to learn new things a set of skills and traits that are important to not just survive in an AI world, but thrive in an AI driven world. And so a lot of it's going to be kind of talking about those things.
Speaker 2:So the name of the webinar is called this Changes Everything. Thrive in an AI Supercycle. Again, go to the Catalyst Network or the Shadow Partners page on LinkedIn you can also find this information there and register for this Changes Everything. Thrive in the AI Supercycle. Now, this is the premium content inside our network, so it's free to premium members of the network and, at, I would say, a nominal cost to those that are not premium members. So you can find registration links on LinkedIn and also in the network. And, as you said, this really speaks to your book that's coming out April 30th.
Speaker 2:right, it's going to be hot off the price, hot off the presses. It's called creating the intangible enterprise. Kp Ray is your third book right.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 2:And so one you know. If you want to know more about that one, one easy way to find out would be go to kpreadyco books so k-p-r-e-d-d-yco books and um and find out. You can pre-order the book, you can find out more about the book, and also on on that website, kpreadyco, you can find out, you can pre-order the book, you can find out more about the book, and also on that website, kpreadyco, you can find out how to get KP to come talk to your organization about what he was just talking about the research that he's done, the learnings that are in the book and how to apply it in your organization. So some options there to get more involved.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think we try to do a good job of meeting people where they are. You know not everybody. It's not necessarily a fit for everyone to hire me to come to a workshop and sometimes, you know, budget-wise the webinar might be out of realm for some folks, but we publish lots of content and other methods. Right, right, right.
Speaker 2:sometimes, you know, budget-wise the webinar might be out of realm for some folks, but we publish lots of content and other methods, right right, to get it out there. So, yeah, yeah, so. So some takeaways here if you're not following kp on on linkedin, you need to be, because you're going to see, you already do see, you're going to see more and more posts that relate to the book and the webinar, etc. So go to LinkedIn K-P-R-E-D-D-Y, k-p-ready on LinkedIn and make sure you follow them. Lots of very insightful posts there and that's actually what we're unpacking today. The webinar is coming up on April 16th and then the book is coming out on April 30th and we will continue to have these types of conversations where we unpack those posts. So let me just recap it really quickly Sometime around March 30th actually I think it was March 30th KP posted this on LinkedIn.
Speaker 2:It says I am so fortunate to have a job where I get to talk to so many people every day. Here's an observation. Number one the highest earning years are when you are 50 plus. Number two most people 50 plus earn well, but they don't leverage themselves well to maximize their earnings. Number three there's too much of doing what I've always done but getting paid more to do it. Number four the key to maximizing is reinvention. Number five applying the years of experience to pattern, recognize new applications with better yield and scale are crucial. Number six you are no longer a manager, you're a coach and a mentor. Number seven curiosity. Constant curiosity is key. Number eight learning about new markets and ideas on a daily basis are important. Number nine ideation is more important than ever, and it's not just for the quote-unquote young. And number 10, build new tactical skills as well. Never too late to learn practical and tactical capabilities.
Speaker 2:Kp, thanks for joining me today and unpacking this. It's always fun to do this and I think people that listen to this we hear about this all the time People that listen to this and hear you unpack these posts get a lot out of it.
Speaker 2:So thank you for that all right, it's great being here all right, and for those of you that are out there watching this in the recorded version inside the catalyst network, thanks for watching it or either live or the recorded version and look for on the podcast. Wherever you consume podcasts, we are as the shadow network podcast and one of the facets is kp ready unpack, so check that out. This one will be published, probably about a week from now, as we're recording this. So thank you for watching, thank you for listening and we'll see you again next week. Thanks everybody thanks.